them, because they are ancient; but, looking at them with reference to the duties of children to their parents, I cannot praise them, or think that they are useful, or at all true.  Of the words of the ancients I have nothing more to say; and I should wish to say of them only what is pleasing to the Gods.  But as to our younger generation and their wisdom, I cannot let them off when they do mischief.  For do but mark the effect of their words:  when you and I argue for the existence of the Gods, and produce the sun, moon, stars, and earth, claiming for them a divine being, if we would listen to the aforesaid philosophers we should say that they are earth and stones only, which can have no care at all of human affairs, and that all religion is a cooking up of words and a make-believe.

Cleinias:  One such teacher, O stranger, would be bad enough, and you imply that there are many of them, which is worse.

Athenian:  Well, then; what shall we say or do?  Shall we assume that some one is accusing us among unholy men, who are trying to escape from the effect of our legislation; and that they say of us—­How dreadful that you should legislate on the supposition that there are Gods!  Shall we make a defence of ourselves? or shall we leave them and return to our laws, lest the prelude should become longer than the law?  For the discourse will certainly extend to great length, if we are to treat the impiously disposed as they desire, partly demonstrating to them at some length the things of which they demand an explanation, partly making them afraid or dissatisfied, and then proceed to the requisite enactments.

Cleinias:  Yes, Stranger; but then how often have we repeated already that on the present occasion there is no reason why brevity should be preferred to length; for who is ‘at our heels?’ as the saying goes, and it would be paltry and ridiculous to prefer the shorter to the better.  It is a matter of no small consequence, in some way or other to prove that there are Gods, and that they are good, and regard justice more than men do.  The demonstration of this would be the best and noblest prelude of all our laws.  And therefore, without impatience, and without hurry, let us unreservedly consider the whole matter, summoning up all the power of persuasion which we possess.

Athenian:  Seeing you thus in earnest, I would fain offer up a prayer that I may succeed:  but I must proceed at once.  Who can be calm when he is called upon to prove the existence of the Gods?  Who can avoid hating and abhorring the men who are and have been the cause of this argument; I speak of those who will not believe the tales which they have heard as babes and sucklings from their mothers and nurses, repeated by them both in jest and earnest, like charms, who have also heard them in the sacrificial prayers, and seen sights accompanying them—­sights and sounds delightful to children—­and their parents during the sacrifices showing an intense earnestness