the same time protect the property and the liberty of every individual in the state.  Yes, my Lords, Parliament possesses the power to bestow on the Government the means of putting down this conspiracy—­a conspiracy not against the Government itself, but against those whom the Government is bound in honour to protect.  I take this question of tithes to be one of the most serious questions that can be brought under the consideration of Parliament.  I do not object to the noble Earl’s measure—­indeed, I really do not know what that measure is—­but what I say is, that the noble Earl is bound, and the King is bound by his oath, to protect the property of the Church—­yes, his Majesty is sworn especially to protect that property.  But it is not the property of the Church alone—­what do you say of the lay impropriator?  Is a man to be robbed and ruined, because he possesses property in tithe?

There is no public grievance in Ireland.  Tithes are no public grievance.  Tithes are private property, which a deep laid conspiracy is attempting to destroy.  The noble Lord knows that he cannot get the better of it.  I tell the noble Lord that he will be, at last, obliged to come to Parliament for a measure to enable him to put down the conspirators.  I recollect the famous affair at Manchester; and remember perfectly well to have heard a most able and eloquent speech made by the noble and learned Lord in another place, upon the subject of collecting large numbers of persons together; and I well remember his able and eloquent justification of the magistrates for the part they assumed upon that occasion.  I want to know why the magistrates at Carlow and at Cork did not obtain the same support when pursuing a similar course?  I know I shall be told in answer to this, that I am a person very desirous of spilling blood.  My Lords, I am not recommending the spilling of blood; I want to save human life by Legislative means.  I do not want to have recourse to arms against crowds and mobs of people; but what I want is, that the real conspirators should be got the better of, and not that the mere instruments and victims of their wicked work should be punished.  But if the course pursued at Manchester against the collection of large bodies of armed people was correct—­if the attack was rightly made upon those armed people—­I want to know why the same was not done at Cork and at Carlow, where the troops stood in the midst of the people three days, who at last were suffered to carry off the distress, without the clergyman being able to satisfy his claim?

The noble Lord has said, that Ireland is in a state of great tranquillity.  Now, I certainly must say, that as far as I have heard, I cannot believe in the existence of that tranquillity.  It may be perfectly true, by moving a large body of troops from the country into a particular district, together with a great number of police and magistrates, that, for a moment, tranquillity may be restored to that