Meg and Calvin try to hold Charles to get him to come out of his trance. It almost works, but then the man with red eyes brings in guards to hold Calvin and Meg away from Charles. The man with red eyes admits that he is being controlled by IT, and tells Charles to take Meg and Calvin to see Mr. Murry.
Charles starts talking about how happy he and the people of Camazotz are, and tries to convince Meg that she should join him in accepting the man with the red eyes. He tells her that "Here on Camazotz, everyone is happy because they are all alike. Differences create problems." She argues that, although she hates being different, being like everyone else isn't appealing either.
Charles Wallace talks about the being that is controlling.....
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